Curse

faraaz · May 15, 2009, 01:24 PM // 13:24

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

People wanted Aegis chains and passive defense nerfed....done.

People wanted WE nerfed...done.

People wanted PnH nerfed...done.

People wanted Mel Shot spikeability reduced...done.

People wanted LC and FF nerfed...done.

People wanted Kappaspike and Steam nerfed...done.

People wanted SnH nerfed...done.

Barring Primal Rage, I see every skill that people have been complaining about for the past 3 months in PvP nerfed in this update. Save for random tinkering and "stirring up" the game a bit, what are people missing?

People wanted Shadow form & RoJ nerfed..that didnt happen, so they are q.q'ing. Mark my words, the q.q shall continue till they nerf those skills...and SURPRISE SURPRISE, it will continue afterwards too...

Test Me · May 15, 2009, 01:27 PM // 13:27

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Originally Posted by Spinny

They get to spam high damage, low recharge spells, while having a 75% block up 90% of the time, without having to worry about energy and because they get to spam, they get constant heal from their aura ench.

EDIT: Except from bal and hexway, 1 A/D, 2 E/Mes and 1 Mo/Any, is probably the most common team you'll find in TA atm.

Well if they need 2 eles per team how comes I have such a horrible time finding a team to play with? Are you playing the MB ele btw?

I don't find it any more unbalanced than a lot of Mo builds, or etc. A decent Mo (not even a good one) can prot/outheal even 3 such "terrible" MB high damage spammers spiking him in the same time. And you say MB eles are overpowered

And that is not to mention that a Me or a R can completely disable your entire MB bar rendering you as a player completely unuseful for x amount of time (they kindly give you a break to admire the scenery and walk around), time in which they still get to play and do other nasty stuff (isn't *that* unbalanced?). And given enough interrupts the energy pool goes down really fast tbh.

And OK "even if" they nerf it, what should eles do then? Shatterstones? Or just die and no one should play them anymore cause they're really lame anyway? Oh well. Nerf them all to hell, what can I say nothing will ever make us happy. Sad world.

tasha · May 15, 2009, 01:51 PM // 13:51

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Originally Posted by faraaz

People wanted Shadow form & RoJ nerfed..that didnt happen, so they are q.q'ing. Mark my words, the q.q shall continue till they nerf those skills...and SURPRISE SURPRISE, it will continue afterwards too...

^this.

As others have said, the update might not have been as thorough as some may have liked but it was targetted and moderated. First time in ages I've been able to debate with people over GvG monk bars.

Anduin · May 15, 2009, 02:03 PM // 14:03

Well, as most "nerf this" posts are selfish and totally ignorant to how others might like to play, being based totally on a "me me me" attitude, I might as well add mine.

Don't effing touch RoJ for PVE until after all of my characters have finished Shards of Orr in both modes.

Killa_Byte · May 15, 2009, 02:27 PM // 14:27

Anet your fired this game should still be a beta lol

Spinny · May 15, 2009, 02:27 PM // 14:27

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Originally Posted by Xinix

I don't understand why people are still wanting a SF nerf. It has been nerfed more than enough and is almost useless. You can't maintain it for a long time due to energy shortage. A raptor farm is much easier as E/Me than as SF sin in my opinion. Why destroying the fun for people that like to use it? It doesn't hurt anybody who doesn't want to play it.

Same with RoJ. Maybe it is overpowered in PvP - no idea - but it's the only decent smiter skill for a monk in PVE. If they nerf it I hope they only do it for PvP.

You're missing the point all together..
People want the SF nerf because it allows teams to complete areas like UW & FoW in a ridiculously short amount of time and...if you don't have SF, then you pretty much won't be able to play UW/FoW unless you find a group wanting to try something different, which won't happen.
There's 10 proffs in GW, Assassins, Mesmers and monks are the only ones that see much play.
People want SF nerf so more classes can come into play again.

Eragon Zarroc · May 15, 2009, 02:30 PM // 14:30

a pretty meh update, lol

Red Sonya · May 15, 2009, 02:38 PM // 14:38

Shadowform needs a cool down period just like the Dervish forms that Anet nerfed to oblivion not long ago. So, give Shadowform a 120 second cool down period and I'll be happy. I'm sure most others would be as well.

They didn't seem to mind nerfing Ursans out of existance when there were so many that enjoyed that skill so I don't see any reason not to nerf SF out of existance as well and bring back different options again instead of just the tired and tried old one known as Shadowform.

Xinix · May 15, 2009, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by Spinny

You're missing the point all together..
People want the SF nerf because it allows teams to complete areas like UW & FoW in a ridiculously short amount of time and...if you don't have SF, then you pretty much won't be able to play UW/FoW unless you find a group wanting to try something different, which won't happen.
There's 10 proffs in GW, Assassins, Mesmers and monks are the only ones that see much play.
People want SF nerf so more classes can come into play again.

It's not because some people are doing UW or FoW with an Assasin team that it is the only way or needed to complete them. It takes skill and knowledge to do that in a short period of time with a full sin team. Nobody is forcing you to do it with a sin. You can still team up with your guildies or others and do it your way with the profession you like. We still do UW with normal teams.
It's not a reason to nerf SF.

Neez · May 15, 2009, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

Is it just me, or is anyone else asking, "What Balance?" I see only nerfs; merciless, wreckless unneeded nerfs. M.Shot & Hunters were like the final blow to Ranger viability. Aegis was changed just after the Live Team completed their "4:20pm Meeting" and LC is now every Necro's TOP PICK because there's no moar wtf PnH to stop it!! E/Me's continue to abuse Distortion, and now with the buff to IW, 4v4's seeing a fk'ton of IW Mesmers with Distortion, a (two time) buffed heal signet and 10 more energy in their pool to help [email protected] some more with Distortion. Is this Just? YES, well it's just BULLSH.....! And again, Anet won't ever revert anything anymore because they're never wrong, always right and they have no time nor incentive to (unless moar players buy makeovers to pay them for decimally better skill changes). Gg.. Anet..

^ This.

54321

Mordakai · May 15, 2009, 02:50 PM // 14:50

[PvE Comment]

Love the buff on Elemental Lord.

I might actually dust off my Elementalist, and try this out.

Coast · May 15, 2009, 02:51 PM // 14:51

Castigation Signet: increased recharge to 20 seconds.
Good adjustment since it was alot better then the other smitesignets

Peace and Harmony: decreased duration to 1..3 seconds; increased recharge to 12 seconds.
Needed a change, spam less

Word of Healing: decreased non-conditional healing to 5..100; increased conditional healing to 30..115.
Good work on that, most people agree I think.

Foul Feast: increased recharge to 5 seconds.
It was asking for reducing the insane power+recharge it has( just compare it with draw cond)

Lingering Curse: decreased healing reduction to 20%.
Good change, unless people love to ball up.

Hunter's Shot: functionality changed to: "If this attack hits, your target bleeds for 3..25 seconds."
Could of just removed the 1 sec activation, ah well

Melandru's Shot: functionality change to: "If this attack hits, your target bleeds for 5..25 seconds. If it hits a foe that is moving or knocked down, that foe takes +10..25 damage and is crippled for +5..15 seconds.

Good change, don't rly see anything bad about the small nerf since it still powerfull.

Protective Was Kaolai: increased recharge to 25 seconds.
Decent nerf since w spells still excel(resilient, wow, wos), maybe do something bout em also?

Strength of Honor: decreased damage to 1..5.
Well needed nerf since melee hits of 100dmg or close to it without activating attackskill is just wrong (not to mention maintaining soh is passive and not benefitial for the gameplay)

Aegis: reduced casting time to .25. Functionality changed to: "For 1..3 seconds, hostile spells and attacks against 'target other ally' fail."
Another skillbuff,yes BUFF that is a good one since it removes another layer of passive defense and we get an extremely powerfull skill as a reward( only down on it is the 30 sec recharge, but otherwise it would be way too overpowered)
Once again proper usage and awareness in matches gets rewarded.

Mirror of Ice: functionality changed to: "For 5 seconds, plus 3 additional seconds for every rank of Energy Storage, you deal an additional 5..35 cold damage whenever you cast a Water Magic hex."
Maybe the addiotnal secs would been 5sec for each rank, other than that a good nerf since s storm + f gust with the enchant on is overkill on a fc)

Steam: functionality changed to: "Target foe is struck for 5..50 cold damage. If target foe is on fire, Steam Blinds that foe for 5..10 seconds."
Well deserved balance, not that it rly changes alot, minor effect imo.

Shadow Fang: added an after-cast delay.
Nerfed for obvious reasons.

Warrior's Endurance: this skill is now a stance.
Needed a nerf,but I don't rly think that only thet elite is the problem(dismembers spammability is imo compared with the basically free energy skill attacks(power attack +protectors strike)
Might take a look at dismembers adrealine cost if u compare it with lets say eviscerate (5adr. versus 8adr., though eviscerate gives u a dmg bonus)

Feel free to swap ur thoughts

Coast

Spinny · May 15, 2009, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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Originally Posted by Xinix

It's not because some people are doing UW or FoW with an Assasin team that it is the only way or needed to complete them. It takes skill and knowledge to do that in a short period of time with a full sin team. Nobody is forcing you to do it with a sin. You can still team up with your guildies or others and do it your way with the profession you like. We still do UW with normal teams.
It's not a reason to nerf SF.

When he had Ursan, we could do it other ways, but ANet still recognised completing an elite area in less than 30 minutes is broken.
What's different about SF?...Nothing...except, ANet don't want to upset the player base again.
Please, don't try and defend SF, it's broken, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

Gun Pierson · May 15, 2009, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by Coast

Castigation Signet: increased recharge to 20 seconds.
Good adjustment since it was alot better then the other smitesignets
Coast

And that's something Anet recently discovered? I'm sure when they created the skill some years ago, they knew that the others have a 20 secs recharge. If they want the signets to have the same recharge, bring them all to 15 secs in pve and 20 secs in pvp then.

XxSanctusxX · May 15, 2009, 03:32 PM // 15:32

I think, contrary to many people here, that this wasn't such a bad update. Some major changes, but everything OP got nerfed. Really looking forward to your reaction if SF finally gets nerfed. One of the better skills in the Monk proffession gets CHANGED (not killed/buffed/nerfed, just changed) and gogo QQ. Wait till SF.
Shadow fang needed nerf, got it. Most other skills that were used to create very powerful spikes/pressure got nerfed as well. So I fail to see what the big problem is.
Ok, PWK isn't great, and some skills got buffed and nerfed a bit too much, but hey, try to make an update that satisfies the whole community, that's freaking impossible.
I'd say this is a GOOD update, with 1 unexpected change, why is this whole update bad if 1 (or 2, or even 3) things are "bad". That "bad" is written that way, because I kinda like it, changes the way monks have to play..

Toxic OnyX · May 15, 2009, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Coast
Aegis: reduced casting time to .25. Functionality changed to: "For 1..3 seconds, hostile spells and attacks against 'target other ally' fail."

Another skillbuff,yes BUFF that is a good one since it removes another layer of passive defense and we get an extremely powerfull skill as a reward( only down on it is the 30 sec recharge, but otherwise it would be way too overpowered)
Once again proper usage and awareness in matches gets rewarded.

Your kidding right? please tell me your only joking with this

BUFF = Skill has been balanced in a positive way

So please explain how the change from "will block 50% of attacks for xx seconds" to "For 1..3 seconds, hostile spells and attacks against 'target other ally' fail." is a buff exactly?

Lets see how this will now work... GvG team prompts a fake spike on a target, so prot monk twitches with Aegis 3sec prot and a downtime of 30 seconds, in the meanwhile the opposing team switch targets and systematically spikes down 2 others... Aegis is now recharged, I fail to see the buff in this skill tbh

unless ofc we can have 10 monks and Aegis chain 1 person FTW!

/sarcasm off

The other truly bad things are that they delayed to release this, ignored the players PoV about how PvE is stagnant due to the boredom of the SC teams, the OP of CoP, RoJ, SY, the lack of any possibility of PvE playing with a paragon or ritualist apart from 1/2 builds for each choosing instead to provide this lame balance

What's next? are they going to re-buff Ursan too so those that CBA to run perma can run Bear instead, in fact why not just call it a day, make every skill in the game OP and just concentrate on the micro-transaction additions to the game, as long as ppl have shiny crap to play with they will be happy right?

Roll on Aion imo

Longasc · May 15, 2009, 03:50 PM // 15:50

To take the comments about the update on a more META scale... do we really believe we get any SUBSTANTIAL changes till GW2?

I mean reworking complete mechanics. I still see no proper use for Necros in PvP outside of blood spike gimmicks or for casting Lingering Curse. They do not appear that often, and with 20% LC probably even less. And I doubt this will change till GW2!

The update also had some positive ideas and changes. Hunter's Shot lost the 1s activation time and thus some spike chain potential, but now applies bleeding all the time e.g.

Besides that, Coast already summed things up nicely in #333.

I have no idea how the new Aegis will work out, this was probably the most significant change.

ogre_jd · May 15, 2009, 03:59 PM // 15:59

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Shadowform needs a cool down period just like the Dervish forms that Anet nerfed to oblivion not long ago. So, give Shadowform a 120 second cool down period and I'll be happy. I'm sure most others would be as well.

They didn't seem to mind nerfing Ursans out of existance when there were so many that enjoyed that skill so I don't see any reason not to nerf SF out of existance as well and bring back different options again instead of just the tired and tried old one known as Shadowform.

They nerfed Ursan? Oh, no! I'd better remove it from my Warrior's bar since it's obviously not been working over the last 2 weeks or so since I came back to the game. :P (in reality, I haven't actually noticed any real change to how often or what situations I'll use it in - it remains the same old "Oh, Crap!!" button it's always been for me on those relatively few occasions that the rest of my bar is inadequate for the task at hand)

Bug John · May 15, 2009, 04:03 PM // 16:03

skill balances are about pvp, pve "balancing" is a joke

"nerf this or nerf that so I can find a group with my xxx character" is just stupid, there will always be builds adapted to each pve area, and all the classes will never be welcomed in pugs

so, assassins, mesmers and monks are the only classes used in pve ? I don't think we're playing the same game

people don't want nerfs in pve, only a few QQers on this board want them, and they got it for ursan... now the builds are even more selective class-wise, and still as brainless as pve has ever been

go to spamadan d1, and ask people if they want perma to be nerfed, 80% of them don't even know what a perma is

Alleji · May 15, 2009, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

Is it just me, or is anyone else asking, "What Balance?" I see only nerfs; merciless, wreckless unneeded nerfs. M.Shot & Hunters were like the final blow to Ranger viability. Aegis was changed just after the Live Team completed their "4:20pm Meeting" and LC is now every Necro's TOP PICK because there's no moar wtf PnH to stop it!!

Uh... PnH is there. It was nerfed the wrong way.

It's still a 0.25s skill that removes all hexes and conditions... with a 33% higher recharge. Boo-hoo. Hex stacks are still not viable, so a single LC necro will continue to be the only popular hex option because it works by making lots of bars purple, not by stacking.

So yes, PnH got nerfed against LC (funny, they both had their effectiveness reduced by 33%) but it still keeps hex builds out of the meta.